A discussion with Art Ludwig on how he is working with California legislators on making so eco innovators can legally innovate. He also talks about the current state of how lawmakers need lawbreakers to legislate progress. Part of this is what Art calls Optimal Integrated Design. Art also talks a lot about fire, wildfire, and homeowner strategies. He talks about how he currently lives in an area where the trees contain something that is especially flammable. He then goes into detail about a strategy to weather the fire. He has an office that is built of cob, and even has a cob door.